From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Fri Oct 10 06:42:52 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27755; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:42:46 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11601; Fri, 10 Oct 97 06:42:42 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 24140 invoked by uid 5378); 10 Oct 1997 11:17:24 -0000 Date: 10 Oct 1997 11:17:24 -0000 Message-Id: <343E08EB.6AF9@earthlink.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Tim Kendrick To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase (parts 1 & 2 only) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: Status: RO Okay, I chose parts one and two only of "The Chase" because these 2 episodes really stand apart from the rest of the story. The actual "chase" doesn't begin until episode 3 (although the premise is set up). But basically parts 1&2 make a very good Dalek 2-parter! And I feel they're quite different from the rest of the story. I actually cheated a little and watched this before the weekend (on Wednesday night), but I'll wait before I post specific comments until the rest of you have had a chance to view it. But, be sure to notice the Doctor's hat!!! More later! Tim K. EMAIL: tim63@earthlink.net HOMEPAGE: http://www.earthlink.net/~tim63 From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Sun Oct 12 20:31:45 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07783; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:31:43 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11089; Sun, 12 Oct 97 20:31:48 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 19226 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 01:30:47 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 01:30:47 -0000 Message-Id: <199710130123.SAA19652@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: chrisk@webtv.net (Chris Krisocki) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase 1+2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Status: Status: RO The Chase has always been one of my favorite "fun" stories. I love the scenes where they gather around the space/time visualizer and just watch TV for a few moments. It's nice to see everyone relaxing and taking a break every now and then. However, I must say that I find part two really boring, and I couldn't wait for it to end; it's just an uneventful waiting episode, complete with awful monster - maybe they still had the Slyther left over from The Dalek Invasion of Earth and decided to use it again? This time I actually spotted the bits of hair sticking out of the backs of the Aridian costumes, and Hywel Bennet sticks out like a mile now that I know what he looks like without that make-up on. Anyway, I don't think part two is all that great, unlike part six with that marvellous Mechanoid battle :) Doesn't it sound like Hartnell is saying, "We're here to defeat the TARDIS, not start a jumble sale?" From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 01:05:54 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18052; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:57:38 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net ([158.43.128.25]) by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12476; Mon, 13 Oct 97 00:24:50 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 1175 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 05:17:28 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 05:17:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971013130023.00694cd8@mail.iinet.net.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Alan Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase part 1 The Executioners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO Over its entire length, the Chase is one of my all time favourite Dr Who stories. It would never in a million years make it into my list of the best Dr Who stories of all time, but that is another story. The Chase needs to be approached with a great deal of indulgence as it is based on one of the flimsiest rationales ever for commissioning a story. (Hey, Daleks are popular. Lets do another one just for the ratings!) I doubt David Whittaker, who was script editor for the previous two, would ever have allowed this one to get past in its current form. What ever Terry Nation's limitations as a writer were, (and I think the Chase exposes some of his worst) He was more adventurous and was able to get more out of the format of series than any other writer. One of the great accomplishments of the Chase is his use of the episodic structure, The first two episodes set up the premise, the next two build up the tension and set the scene for the conclusion on the planet Mechanus in 5 and 6. What is so clever is way they are interlinked. The first two episodes could be seen as an story in their own right, The next two are very much independent but linked to the following episodes and the final two are almost another two story lines resolved by the end of each episode but linked this time, by location. But the watching brief for this weekend was just the first two episodes: Doctor Who: The Executioners. When I first saw this episode a number of years ago, I thought the person who had supplied me with the video tape had made a horrible mistake as the Dalek scene at the beginning made me think I was missing the beginning episode or two. It was only by checking the episode caption with my program guide that I was able to control my hyperventilation and get on with the episode. (BTW, the conclusion of the "Space Museum" contains a much better link to the beginning of this episode, as it actually shows a context shot of Skaro. The episode opens with the Space-time Visualiser, also a legacy of the Space Museum. And with this plot device, they manage to burn up half an episode safe and secure in the knowledge that the kiddies (and the grown-ups) will not turn turn off because they know there will be Daleks eventually. I hate the technobabble in this episode, so reminiscent of the weaker episodes of (that other long running SF Series made in America). For me technobabble is best when it doesn't mean anything ("reverse the polarity of the neutron flow") It should be patently incomprehensible, a throw-away line to show how clever the Doctor is. When it tries to subvert real science like it does here, it insults my intelligence and could be quite dangerous if anyone thought they had actually done their homework (Oh Gawd, I'm beginning to sound like that creep in "More than 30 years in the TARDIS":-( ). The same goes with the history. This is from the makers of "The Romans" rather than the "the Crusades" They choose the least interesting part of the Gettysburg address and the delivery is sooooo boring! The low esteem the production crew held the historicals at this time, really shows with the Elizabethan segment. If you are motivated to do a bit of research you find that Sir John Oldcastle was a notorious heretic and traitor who had been executed over 100 years previously, who later became one of the heros of the Protestant revolution, a far more interesting figure than the miffed contemporary of Elizabeth's court he most certainly was NOT. The bit with the Beatles was fun, though. I found it an interesting choice of clip that seemed to show the fab four irradiated for a moment in the death blast of a Dalek gun ?!. I do find it a bit peculiar that Vikki who is apparently a fan, has no idea what kind on music they play. (Then again, fan: fanatic: one who redoubles their efforts when they have lost sight of the goal... but I digress) Once the TARDIS finally lands, the padding ends and the story begins. Note the impressive camera angle of the Doctor over the console, with that large glass floodlight-type thing shown for the first time since "An Unearthly Child" (Actually the effect is diluted a little by the top of TARDIS set and a studio light clearly visible in shot.) This mixture of the stylish and the shoddy is a hallmark of this story. Now that I have vented my spleen about the bits that really annoy me about this episode, the rest, even the bits that don't work, I really enjoy. The TARDIS crew work well together. William Hartnell is obviously enjoying this part, with the deft humour he is given, by not fluffing as many lines as usual. Vicki rises above the terrible dialogue she is given, to display a nice mix of the fact that she is from the future (and knows it all) and the fact that she is very, very young. I think Maureen O'Brien is very underrated. Ian and Barbara are solid as always. Terry Nation follows the writer's guide to the letter by splitting the action into Doctor/Barbara and Ian/Vicki pairs. Both work beautifully, especially the Doctor and Barbara sunbathing; Doctor: "Horrible noise, my singing?!" Barbara: "No, not that horrible noise THAT one!"(or words to that effect.) And Ian and Vikki's encounter with the ring in the sand. Just a thought, I wonder if Ian's "Excalibur!" was scripted or an ad-lib reference to William Russell's former leading role in the "Adventures of Sir Lancelot"? The location shots of the desert planet would have to be one of the most convincing invocations of an alien landscape in the show's history, and even the studio recreations are pretty good. The sand storm is highly convincing. (Must have been murder to film!) And then we come to the Daleks. The departure from Skaro is totally and irredeemably botched. It is hilarious. Then there is the by now obligatory, Impressive-and-totaly-unexpected-dramatic-arrival-of-a-Dalek-Cliffhanger-at- the-end-of-episode 1. This, diluted by the audience's knowledge that this IS a Dalek story. Is again botched. They were forced to revert to puppet Dalek in a sand tray when the Director's idea of burying a real Dalek in sand and pulling it out by a truck totaly failed to work. Now THERE'S an out-take I'd like to see. The Designer TOLD the Director that it wouldn't work, but DID HE LISTEN? No one ever listens to the bloody designer, not till it's too late and they need it YESTERDAY.... sorry, I'll calm down now.- Personal experience intruding in there. Raymond Cusick is a hero of mine. This is the episode in which he modified the Dalek design to include those vertical slats around the mid section. His rationale was that Daleks in the desert were obviously NOT being powered by static electricity so he gave them solar cells. He also designed the mire beast, but even heroes have their off days... NEXT EPISODE: THE DEATH OF TIME Alan Thompson ---------------------------------------> Animator/Designer Warped Time Productions althomp@iinet.net.au (www.iinet.net.au/~althomp/) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you could touch the alien sands and hear the cry of strange birds in an alien sky, would that satisfy you?" ...The Doctor. (who?) From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 06:18:46 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24863; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:13:08 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net ([158.43.128.25]) by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16425; Mon, 13 Oct 97 06:05:12 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 14402 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 09:53:45 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 09:53:45 -0000 Message-Id: <4507511BBE@fs1.art.man.ac.uk>. Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: "John R Stephenson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the Chase X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) X-Status: Status: RO The Chase is a great story, bar the 'House of Horror' bit. My favourite moments include Ian almost pulling Bab's pants off and the Doctor claiming that he could 'charm the birds out of the trees'. It's also great fun to spot bits of set in the jungle: I've seen a BBC camera, the bottom half of a Dalek, and a partially constructed Dalek time machine. Anyone spotted anything else? From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 09:36:02 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17763; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:35:48 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25856; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:35:37 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 6235 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 07:01:27 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 07:01:27 -0000 Message-Id: <01BCD772.6AC3ED40@1Cust233.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Jeffery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: The Chase part 1 The Executioners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Status: Status: RO On Sunday, October 12, 1997 11:17 PM, Alan Thompson[SMTP:althomp@iinet.net.au] wrote: > What ever Terry Nation's limitations as a writer were, (and I think the > Chase exposes some of his worst) He was more adventurous and was able to > get more out of the format of series than any other writer. One of the > great accomplishments of the Chase is his use of the episodic structure, > I recently discovered that "The Keys of Marinus", also by Terry Nation, reveals a similar pattern. The earlier story is superior-- it lacks the forced humor, and the segments hang together better-- but it is obviously the same writer at work. The idea of building a big story out of little ones eventually gave rise to "The Key to Time" series and "The Trial of a Time Lord". Perhaps Mr. Nation deserves even more credit than he usually gets. As for "The Chase", episodes 5 and 6 are by far my favorites. I'll be keen to hear your comments on those. ((Note to Alan Thompson: is your e-mail functioning properly? An attempt to respond to your last message failed utterly)) Jeffery From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 09:36:17 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24439; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:36:13 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25993; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:36:14 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 1271 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 05:17:39 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 05:17:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971013130358.006866ac@mail.iinet.net.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Alan Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase part 2 The Death of Time X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO The Chase episode 2: The Death of Time It is worth remembering that while these early episodes were not transmitted live, they were videotaped under live conditions and the only way to edit video tape then, was with a razor blade and microscope, and as such, was actively discouraged. I think the point I am trying to make, that on a schedule which meant that you were churning out a new episode every WEEK, it is nothing short of miraculous that these stories turned out a good as they did. I am trying to find a nice way of saying that the Chase as a whole is one of those stories where perhaps things didn't come together quite a nicely as perhaps they should have ;-) The Daleks are impressive. Thick as two short planks one of them is, but looking good all the same. The shots of the Daleks skimming over the desert are impressive. On the subject of stupid Daleks, I don't have any problem with this. I think it is a nice touch to show that they are living beings and not just soulless machines. That said, as a writerly device, using Daleks for light relief comedy fails totally. (Is this the same Terry Nation who criticised his creation's appearance on comedy shows such a Spike Milligan's Q series?) Enter the Arridians. What can I say? That the fish people are a bit wet, perhaps? I think one of the tragedies of the fact that the series is no longer in production, is that a whole generation of young actors who might later become successful, are deprived of the chance of dressing up in silly costumes and humiliated about it for years to come. I hope Hywell Bennett DOES get reminded about the Chase from time to time. Mire beasts, Arridians and thick Daleks aside, this viewing is the first time I noticed how good the backdrop paintings of the 'Underwater' city are. Look closely and you can see roads and terraces amid the stalactites, as the Doctor said: "Almost beautiful" On the subject of the mire beast, It redeems any concern I may have had about it's level of convincingness by that wonderful swallowing sound it made when it consumed that Arridian ;-) An idle thought, the Doctor must have a whole wardrobe of identical black jackets in the TARDIS, because he certainly doesn't pick his up before he departs. This is at least the second one he has lost. I remember in the Sensorites that his jacket was diced and he got a cape instead! How many others has he gone through? I enjoyed the first two parts of the Chase, but they are by no means my favourite episodes of this story. If I had to pick, I would choose episode 2 over 1. but my favourite out of the story is also 6. This has been a fun way to spend a Sunday afternoon! Alan Thompson ---------------------------------------> Animator/Designer Warped Time Productions althomp@iinet.net.au (www.iinet.net.au/~althomp/) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you could touch the alien sands and hear the cry of strange birds in an alien sky, would that satisfy you?" ...The Doctor. (who?) From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 10:17:40 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24972; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:17:30 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04173; Mon, 13 Oct 97 10:17:31 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 12634 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 09:36:11 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 09:36:11 -0000 Message-Id: <199710130922.TAA02293@smople.thehub.com.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: shane@thehub.com.au (Shane Wright) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1+2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO > > The Chase has always been one of my favorite "fun" stories. I love >the scenes where they gather around the space/time visualizer and just >watch TV for a few moments. It's nice to see everyone relaxing and >taking a break every now and then. I have a question - when the Beatles are playing on the TSV, Ian appears to be dancing and singing along. How, if he left earth in October 1963, and hadn't been back except in earlier times, would he have known the words to "Ticket To Ride"* saw who thought the Chase 1& 2 was merry fun. * of course, the answer may well be that he didn't know the words, he was just singing along to the tune - a tune with which he was familiar because Suan had played him an Oasis album fron the future, seeing most Oasis songs seem to be pinched from "Ticket To Ride" :-) ..... but destined to take the place of the mud shark in *your* mythology From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 10:38:47 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15934; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:38:44 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07991; Mon, 13 Oct 97 10:38:44 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 1175 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 05:17:28 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 05:17:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971013130023.00694cd8@mail.iinet.net.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Alan Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase part 1 The Executioners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO Over its entire length, the Chase is one of my all time favourite Dr Who stories. It would never in a million years make it into my list of the best Dr Who stories of all time, but that is another story. The Chase needs to be approached with a great deal of indulgence as it is based on one of the flimsiest rationales ever for commissioning a story. (Hey, Daleks are popular. Lets do another one just for the ratings!) I doubt David Whittaker, who was script editor for the previous two, would ever have allowed this one to get past in its current form. What ever Terry Nation's limitations as a writer were, (and I think the Chase exposes some of his worst) He was more adventurous and was able to get more out of the format of series than any other writer. One of the great accomplishments of the Chase is his use of the episodic structure, The first two episodes set up the premise, the next two build up the tension and set the scene for the conclusion on the planet Mechanus in 5 and 6. What is so clever is way they are interlinked. The first two episodes could be seen as an story in their own right, The next two are very much independent but linked to the following episodes and the final two are almost another two story lines resolved by the end of each episode but linked this time, by location. But the watching brief for this weekend was just the first two episodes: Doctor Who: The Executioners. When I first saw this episode a number of years ago, I thought the person who had supplied me with the video tape had made a horrible mistake as the Dalek scene at the beginning made me think I was missing the beginning episode or two. It was only by checking the episode caption with my program guide that I was able to control my hyperventilation and get on with the episode. (BTW, the conclusion of the "Space Museum" contains a much better link to the beginning of this episode, as it actually shows a context shot of Skaro. The episode opens with the Space-time Visualiser, also a legacy of the Space Museum. And with this plot device, they manage to burn up half an episode safe and secure in the knowledge that the kiddies (and the grown-ups) will not turn turn off because they know there will be Daleks eventually. I hate the technobabble in this episode, so reminiscent of the weaker episodes of (that other long running SF Series made in America). For me technobabble is best when it doesn't mean anything ("reverse the polarity of the neutron flow") It should be patently incomprehensible, a throw-away line to show how clever the Doctor is. When it tries to subvert real science like it does here, it insults my intelligence and could be quite dangerous if anyone thought they had actually done their homework (Oh Gawd, I'm beginning to sound like that creep in "More than 30 years in the TARDIS":-( ). The same goes with the history. This is from the makers of "The Romans" rather than the "the Crusades" They choose the least interesting part of the Gettysburg address and the delivery is sooooo boring! The low esteem the production crew held the historicals at this time, really shows with the Elizabethan segment. If you are motivated to do a bit of research you find that Sir John Oldcastle was a notorious heretic and traitor who had been executed over 100 years previously, who later became one of the heros of the Protestant revolution, a far more interesting figure than the miffed contemporary of Elizabeth's court he most certainly was NOT. The bit with the Beatles was fun, though. I found it an interesting choice of clip that seemed to show the fab four irradiated for a moment in the death blast of a Dalek gun ?!. I do find it a bit peculiar that Vikki who is apparently a fan, has no idea what kind on music they play. (Then again, fan: fanatic: one who redoubles their efforts when they have lost sight of the goal... but I digress) Once the TARDIS finally lands, the padding ends and the story begins. Note the impressive camera angle of the Doctor over the console, with that large glass floodlight-type thing shown for the first time since "An Unearthly Child" (Actually the effect is diluted a little by the top of TARDIS set and a studio light clearly visible in shot.) This mixture of the stylish and the shoddy is a hallmark of this story. Now that I have vented my spleen about the bits that really annoy me about this episode, the rest, even the bits that don't work, I really enjoy. The TARDIS crew work well together. William Hartnell is obviously enjoying this part, with the deft humour he is given, by not fluffing as many lines as usual. Vicki rises above the terrible dialogue she is given, to display a nice mix of the fact that she is from the future (and knows it all) and the fact that she is very, very young. I think Maureen O'Brien is very underrated. Ian and Barbara are solid as always. Terry Nation follows the writer's guide to the letter by splitting the action into Doctor/Barbara and Ian/Vicki pairs. Both work beautifully, especially the Doctor and Barbara sunbathing; Doctor: "Horrible noise, my singing?!" Barbara: "No, not that horrible noise THAT one!"(or words to that effect.) And Ian and Vikki's encounter with the ring in the sand. Just a thought, I wonder if Ian's "Excalibur!" was scripted or an ad-lib reference to William Russell's former leading role in the "Adventures of Sir Lancelot"? The location shots of the desert planet would have to be one of the most convincing invocations of an alien landscape in the show's history, and even the studio recreations are pretty good. The sand storm is highly convincing. (Must have been murder to film!) And then we come to the Daleks. The departure from Skaro is totally and irredeemably botched. It is hilarious. Then there is the by now obligatory, Impressive-and-totaly-unexpected-dramatic-arrival-of-a-Dalek-Cliffhanger-at- the-end-of-episode 1. This, diluted by the audience's knowledge that this IS a Dalek story. Is again botched. They were forced to revert to puppet Dalek in a sand tray when the Director's idea of burying a real Dalek in sand and pulling it out by a truck totaly failed to work. Now THERE'S an out-take I'd like to see. The Designer TOLD the Director that it wouldn't work, but DID HE LISTEN? No one ever listens to the bloody designer, not till it's too late and they need it YESTERDAY.... sorry, I'll calm down now.- Personal experience intruding in there. Raymond Cusick is a hero of mine. This is the episode in which he modified the Dalek design to include those vertical slats around the mid section. His rationale was that Daleks in the desert were obviously NOT being powered by static electricity so he gave them solar cells. He also designed the mire beast, but even heroes have their off days... NEXT EPISODE: THE DEATH OF TIME Alan Thompson ---------------------------------------> Animator/Designer Warped Time Productions althomp@iinet.net.au (www.iinet.net.au/~althomp/) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you could touch the alien sands and hear the cry of strange birds in an alien sky, would that satisfy you?" ...The Doctor. (who?) From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 12:24:46 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18620; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:24:40 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02301; Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:24:42 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 9270 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 17:22:48 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 17:22:48 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971013125550.0071f6d4@dol.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: David Goldfield To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1+2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Demo Version 3.0.3 (32) In-Reply-To: <199710130922.TAA02293@smople.thehub.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO Perhaps Vicky, being a Beattles fan, introduced Ian to some of these "antique" rock bands. Perhaps the Doctor took them to a Beattles concert sometime before this episode. Perhaps my imagination is running on overdrive trying to concoct answers to continuity holes like this. At 09:36 AM 10/13/97 -0000, Shane Wright wrote: >> > >> The Chase has always been one of my favorite "fun" stories. I love >>the scenes where they gather around the space/time visualizer and just >>watch TV for a few moments. It's nice to see everyone relaxing and >>taking a break every now and then. > >I have a question - when the Beatles are playing on the TSV, Ian appears to >be dancing and singing along. How, if he left earth in October 1963, and >hadn't been back except in earlier times, would he have known the words to >"Ticket To Ride"* > >saw >who thought the Chase 1& 2 was merry fun. > >* of course, the answer may well be that he didn't know the words, he was >just singing along to the tune - a tune with which he was familiar because >Suan had played him an Oasis album fron the future, seeing most Oasis songs >seem to be pinched from "Ticket To Ride" :-) > > > >..... but destined to take the place of the mud shark in *your* mythology > > Godspeed David Goldfield Blazie engineering 105 East Jarrettsville Road Forest Hill, MD 21050 410 893-9333 Fax 410-836-5040 From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 18:10:02 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23884; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:09:59 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02674; Mon, 13 Oct 97 18:10:02 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 25647 invoked by uid 5378); 13 Oct 1997 23:07:44 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 1997 23:07:44 -0000 Message-Id: <41D7F446F943D011A10C00A02441AF7B0645DD@wingate> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Michael Lee To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase, ep 1 & 2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: Status: RO Like "The Web Planet", the slow pace of the first episode is actually quite refreshing -- we get lots of character bits [which, if we were cruel, would be called padding.] Some of the Dalek voices were rather silly. It's kind of funny that "The Chase" ep 1 has nearly the same ending as "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" -- except where "Dalek Invasion of Earth" has the Dalek exiting the water, we have him leaving the desert here... Ian is the best male companion in the entire series, bar none. Actually, these two episodes remind me of the Web Planet a little bit as well -- the Arridians (did I remember that properly?) try to be a bit alien in their speech patterns and movements Kind of fun, but not in a "classic" sort of way...more like "Destiny of the Daleks". Michael http://www.execpc.com/~michaell From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 21:01:53 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21737; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:01:46 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27921; Mon, 13 Oct 97 21:01:49 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 3743 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 02:00:14 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 02:00:14 -0000 Message-Id: <3442D146.F9B@earthlink.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Tim Kendrick To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase 1&2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: Status: RO I really liked these two episodes - more so than the remaining 4. Yes, they are a bit slow moving. Yes, the writings not the best. Yes, the viewings in the "scope" were historically off a bit. BUT ... - the desert scenes look wonderful - the Daleks are ruthless and scary - all four main characters come across very well - it was wonderful to see how "Doctorish" William Hartnell was in this one - I could easily see many of the other Doctors playing this story exactly as he did - the first Doctor had the seventh Doctor's hat!!! I really don't care for "The Chase" overall - I especially dislike episodes 3&4. But 1&2, taken by themselves, really stand apart. Wonderful, I think!!! Tim K. From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Mon Oct 13 21:39:23 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26335; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:39:20 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01173; Mon, 13 Oct 97 21:39:18 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 5749 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 02:35:09 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 02:35:09 -0000 Message-Id: <199710140233.VAA22759@mail.xnet.com> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: george@embossed.chi.il.us To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GV: The Chase X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List Content-Type: text X-Status: Status: RO Alright. Some things that I haven't mentioned about it yet... * The music throughout is really quite brilliant, IMHO. Even if it *was* stock music, it's quite unforgettable, though it might have fit in better if the Daleks had first caught up with the Doctor at a swanky dinner party. * As has been observed before, if you live on a planet called "Aridius", you really shouldn't be too surprised when you wake up one morning and find all the water's gone. * The Mire Beast is surprisingly deadly for something that's clearly been dead for quite a while. * As in most Hartnell episodes, little bits of quality are overlooked in light of the naff bits. There's some absolutely brilliant scenery work throughout the Chase -- and indeed, throughout the Hartnell stories. Of course, if someone walks into the scenery, or casts a shadow on it, that doesn't help. * As with most older stories, some editing (i.e. waiting for guns to fire, etc.) would do wonders. Really, for all its silliness, the Chase is an archetypal DW story -- full of all that we love about Doctor Who, and also loaded with all the things that *only* fans could love. george From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 01:37:48 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06931; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:37:46 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05125; Tue, 14 Oct 97 01:37:50 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 16166 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 06:36:06 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 06:36:06 -0000 Message-Id: <199710140634.QAA20542@smople.thehub.com.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: shane@thehub.com.au (Shane Wright) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1&2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO > >I really liked these two episodes - more so >than the remaining 4. Yes, they are a bit >slow moving. Yes, the writings not the best. >Yes, the viewings in the "scope" were historically >off a bit. I really like the groovy lounge/early bond music that began episode 2. does anyone know what it was or who composed it? saw ..... but destined to take the place of the mud shark in *your* mythology From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 02:11:36 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19621; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:11:29 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07485; Tue, 14 Oct 97 02:11:27 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 17826 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 07:10:37 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 07:10:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3443082A.75B1@inreach.com> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: "R. Dan Henry" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1&2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: Status: RO Tim Kendrick wrote: > BUT ... > - the desert scenes look wonderful Well, compared to most of the rest of it, yes. Sand isn't too difficult. > - the Daleks are ruthless and scary Ruthless? Sure. Scary? I think not. I mean, they lose to FUNHOUSE ROBOTS!!! That's as bad as the Imperial Stormtroopers getting beat up by Teddy Bears. Or maybe you just meant they were scary at first. Even the funny one? > - all four main characters come across very well Yep. It's those supporting characters who keep letting it down. Personally, if I'm going to rewatch The Chase, I'm watching to the end. It's one of the 3 stories I'd constantly list in my "Bottom 5", along with Destiny of the Daleks and The Twin Dilemma. Unlike the other two, however, it manages to get good at the end and I rather like the stuff after they reach Mechanus - but that wasn't covered this time, so I won't talk about it. -- R. Dan Henry (danhenry@inreach.com) URL: http://home.inreach.com/danhenry/enter.html From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 03:05:59 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26438; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:05:54 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08391; Tue, 14 Oct 97 03:05:52 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 20000 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 08:02:18 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 08:02:18 -0000 Message-Id: <8236@bates.wn.planet.gen.nz> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: abates@wn.planet.gen.nz (Alden Bates) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase part 1 The Executioners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v3.5 X-Status: Status: RO Alan Thompson wrote: >I do find it a bit peculiar that Vikki who is apparently a fan, has no idea >what kind on music they play. I always assumed the reasoning behind that was that by Vicki's century, the songs had degraded/been remixed so much that they sounded reasonably but not entirely similar to the originals. Sort of like Techno redubs. Scary thought for the day. >That said, as a writerly device, using Daleks for light relief >comedy fails totally. Hmmm... No, I've used them in a comedic context, and they worked pretty well. (There's nothing like having a Dalek trundle into an, erm, house of pleasure and ask how much for a good time...) Alden. -- abates@wn.planet.gen.nz | alden@bates.wn.planet.gen.nz "That's a daft idea." | http://www.wn.planet.gen.nz/~abates/ If replying to news article, please alter the email address From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 05:39:34 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24364; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:39:28 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08935; Tue, 14 Oct 97 05:39:32 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 29337 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 10:38:38 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:38:38 -0000 Message-Id: <19F6EC3DA8@arts.gla.ac.uk>. Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: "Gerard Sweeney" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1+2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In-Reply-To: <199710130922.TAA02293@smople.thehub.com.au> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) X-Status: Status: RO Saw said > > I have a question - when the Beatles are playing on the TSV, Ian > appears to be dancing and singing along. How, if he left earth in > October 1963, and hadn't been back except in earlier times, would he > have known the words to "Ticket To Ride"* > > > * of course, the answer may well be that he didn't know the words, he was > just singing along to the tune - a tune with which he was familiar > because Suan had played him an Oasis album fron the future, seeing > most Oasis songs seem to be pinched from "Ticket To Ride" :-) Well, it all becomes clear if you see the directors cut of The Chase where Ian finishes listening to Ticket To Ride and then says "Bloody hell.. That sounds just like that pap that was playing non stop on the raido in 1997. By that band that went down the dumper the year after that.. Umm, except that 90s version was mindless crap, and this isn't". Well, I'm entitled to an opinion!.. I await the witty Avon response to this statement :-) Gerard Gerard Sweeney Hackers Anonymous Team Amiga Official Hack Attack 3 page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/4871 From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 06:43:38 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06113; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:43:36 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09299; Tue, 14 Oct 97 06:43:30 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 9395 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 11:26:01 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:26:01 -0000 Message-Id: <344350C2.342D@earthlink.net> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Tim Kendrick To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:The Chase 1&2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: Status: RO >> - the Daleks are ruthless and scary >Ruthless? Sure. Scary? I think not. I mean, they lose to FUNHOUSE >ROBOTS!!! That's as bad as the Imperial Stormtroopers getting beat up >by Teddy Bears. Or maybe you just meant they were scary at first. >Even the funny one? But the Funhouse doesn't happen in episodes 1 or 2!!! That's my point of picking only parts 1&2. The Daleks ARE ruthless and scary (IMHO) in 1&2, but then they just become silly shells of their former selves in parts 3&4. (I like that - "shells of their former selves ..."!) From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 08:14:49 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21747; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:14:47 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11798; Tue, 14 Oct 97 08:14:17 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 23580 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 13:08:33 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:08:33 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971014205541.0069e7cc@mail.iinet.net.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Alan Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) In-Reply-To: <199710140233.VAA22759@mail.xnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO At 02:35 AM 14/10/97 -0000, you wrote: > >Alright. Some things that I haven't mentioned >about it yet... > >* The music throughout is really quite brilliant, >IMHO. Even if it *was* stock music, it's quite >unforgettable, though it might have fit in better >if the Daleks had first caught up with the Doctor >at a swanky dinner party. Not stock music this time, but early Dudley Simpson! I agree, I love the music in this one, my favorite bit is the music for the cliff-hanger of episode 5. It builds up the tension so beautifuly and flows perfectly into the end credits. >* As has been observed before, if you live on >a planet called "Aridius", you really shouldn't >be too surprised when you wake up one morning and >find all the water's gone. A long and proud tradition! > >* The Mire Beast is surprisingly deadly for something >that's clearly been dead for quite a while. > >* As in most Hartnell episodes, little bits of >quality are overlooked in light of the naff bits. >There's some absolutely brilliant scenery work >throughout the Chase -- and indeed, throughout >the Hartnell stories. Of course, if someone >walks into the scenery, or casts a shadow on it, >that doesn't help. > >* As with most older stories, some editing (i.e. >waiting for guns to fire, etc.) would do wonders. > >Really, for all its silliness, the Chase is an >archetypal DW story -- full of all that we love >about Doctor Who, and also loaded with all the things >that *only* fans could love. > >george I fear you are right. Because I liked this story so much, I used it as an example of a Hartnell story to a non-fan I was trying to convert. I succeeded actualy, but he skipped the Hartnell era and went straight to the Troughton era. Alan Thompson ---------------------------------------> Animator/Designer Warped Time Productions althomp@iinet.net.au (www.iinet.net.au/~althomp/) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you could touch the alien sands and hear the cry of strange birds in an alien sky, would that satisfy you?" ...The Doctor. (who?) From drwho-l-owner-shill=info1.harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Tue Oct 14 12:45:33 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07785; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:45:12 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00138; Tue, 14 Oct 97 12:45:04 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 13468 invoked by uid 5378); 14 Oct 1997 17:30:08 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1997 17:30:08 -0000 Message-Id: Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Sean the Irish Bastard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1&2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3443082A.75B1@inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Status: Status: RO On 14 Oct 1997, R. Dan Henry wrote: > Tim Kendrick wrote: > > > BUT ... > > - the Daleks are ruthless and scary > > Ruthless? Sure. Scary? I think not. I mean, they lose to FUNHOUSE > ROBOTS!!! That's as bad as the Imperial Stormtroopers getting beat up > by Teddy Bears. Erm...They did, though! Everyone has bad days sometimes... William LA Ingram "A guy who really knows where his towel is" http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/ee61wi/ =============================================================================== "Rama-rama-rama-rama-rama-rama..." - Presuming Ed =============================================================================== From drwho-l-owner-shill=harper.cc.il.us@lists.pipex.com Thu Oct 16 23:26:01 1997 Received: from firewall.harper.cc.il.us by info1.harper.cc.il.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06332; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:25:59 -0500 Received: from solpipe.pipex.net by harper.cc.il.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10316; Thu, 16 Oct 97 23:26:04 CDT Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Received: (qmail 15933 invoked by uid 5378); 17 Oct 1997 04:16:27 -0000 Date: 17 Oct 1997 04:16:27 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971017120958.009cf4b0@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Errors-To: admin-drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Reply-To: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Originator: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Sender: drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Precedence: bulk From: Simon Oxwell To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GV: The Chase 1+2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: The Dr Who Mailing List X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) In-Reply-To: <199710130922.TAA02293@smople.thehub.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Status: Status: RO At 09:36 13/10/97 -0000, you wrote: >I have a question - when the Beatles are playing on the TSV, Ian appears to >be dancing and singing along. How, if he left earth in October 1963, and >hadn't been back except in earlier times, would he have known the words to >"Ticket To Ride"* I'm about a week late, and this has proably already been said (I've got far to much e-mail to get though to check) but... It's a little know fact, but Ian Chesteron did, in fact, write 'Ticket to Ride'. (How else could he know the words?) Simon the Null Smurf